I mentioned a couple days ago that Neil and I have been having a good discussion. Since I have exhausted my own position, and have no desire to begin repeating myself, I thought it might be good to provide a link, so that you might see what is possible when two people who disagree have a frank exchange of views without devolving in to a shouting match or name-calling.
I have no idea of this is some kind of turning point. I do know that I am far more satisfied with the outcome of this discussion than with others I have had in the past.